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I'm learning!! Thanks for all your help mate!!

The DYS BE 1806 with a Gem Fan 5x3 on a 4S battery will produce 670G of thrust at 8.9A. From my understanding that is pretty darn good. Thats a lot of thrust with 4 motors when the whole rig may weigh 600G

Yeah, I can do that. I have never done a build log but I can try :) Also is a 25-50C enough or do I need to go to a 45C-90C. I have read the rotorgeeks 12A ESCs can actually handle more than that, so I am thinking the 45C-90C would be best choice?

Yeah I am going to go with a 4s, on rotorgeeks site they say they run the DYS BE 1806 2300KV on 4s here http://rotorgeeks.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=18_46&product_id=152 But they are a different color than the ones at hobbyking, but I think they are still the same

Well in the last day I have really crammed alot of info and researched a ton of stuff. I am going to be using the FrSky Taranis X9D http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__67750__FrSky_2_4GHz_ACCST_TARANIS_X9D_PLUS_Digital_Telemetry_Radio_System_Mode_2_.html With the X8R receiver...

Another question, I have been reading about BECs. What exactly are they used for and when do you need to use them?

But you have a higher mah and 4S probably? So does your rpm still come out about the same as the small quad? But you have more thrust due to prop size but less manuverabilty?

What do you mean by this? " run 4 cell just match motor kv but for a 4 cell" I have been seeing so many different KVs I am not sure what is best to go with. I have seen some all the way down to 600ish and some close to 3000. I understand it is how many revolutions per volt and a 3S is 11.1...

Well I am learning to also as I find so much different info that it is making my head hurt :)

Just found some info on the motors, they aren't meant for 4S but so many people were able to get them to run fine on 4s that they are apparently out of stock all over. The review I read was they got warm on 4S but not too bad

Nice, will research these parts also

Well I definitely need to try to find some 4s Motors then

What do you think of this radio and receiver? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2EE10T5001

So mainly with going to a 4S it increases flight time? How much of a difference am I looking at by going from a 3s to a 4s?

Also I know I need 2 CCW and 2 CW motors, can you just flip the wiring on 2 of them to make them CW from CCW?

Those appear to be 2s-3s motors, looking at the chart on that page. I dont see them listed as 4S

All the build logs I have seen so far for 250 quads based on the Blackout, ZMR frame etc all use 3S Lipo batteries and the motors are all 2s-3s. So I am am wondering why they went that way and not the 4S with 4S motor way?

Ok that makes sense. So what kind of motor should I be looking for to pair with the 4S 1500 mah lipo?

Ok I am very confused on choosing motor and battery now :)

I may have to buy the motors from elsewhere then. I am lost on your explanation on the motors and what batteries then. The Fat Shark Attitude V2 bundle comes with a FPV CMOS camera and TX.